Raphael’s “Mond Crucifixion”.
The National Gallery, London.
Public Domain.
Let’s turn to the second of The Four Last Things: Judgement.
The Penny Catechism asks: “Will everyone be judged at death, as well as at The Last Day ?” It answers: “Everyone will be judged at death, as well as at The Last Day: ‘Since men only die once, and after that comes judgement’ (Heb 9:27).”
Does this mean we will each be judged twice ?
Yes. Everyone’s judged at the moment of death. So you have Dives and Lazarus: “This day”, he’s gone to Paradise (cf. Luke 16:22), and also Our Lord forgives the repentant thief while he’s dying on the Cross: “This day, you will be with Me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43).
At the same time, Our Lord also talks about The Last Judgement: “I was hungry, and you gave me to eat . . .” (Matthew 25:35). This separation of people according to their merits is carried out at that time. It was defined at The Second Council of Lyon in 1274.
There was a dispute with the Pope. That’s one of the rare cases of a Pope actually falling into error. The whole question was about what happens immediately after death. John XXII [Pope from 1316 to 1334] was in error on that point and had to be corrected.
Why do you think that Catholics, today, seem uncomfortable speaking of Judgement and God as Judge ?
Probably the reason some people are reluctant to speak about these things is because there’s a focus on the social work of The Church, the social influence of The Church, and social matters, rather than other-worldly things.
There was criticism of Catholic spiritual writers talking too much, as people thought, about The Last Things, because they were taking us away from concern about the world and the poor.
But it’s not either-or, it’s both-and. If you’re concerned about The Last Things, then you will be concerned about having helped the poor and being able to go before Our Lord with that as something that you have done, and that Our Lord will be able to judge you on.
I think there’s been a false opposition between practical works of Charity and concern for The Last Things.
Could it be a reaction to the perceived legalism of The Church in the past ?
Yes, I think so. I mean, the perceived legalism is often false. One of the authors I’m reading at the moment is Garrigou-Lagrange. You could say he’s very technical, but we’re technical in any subject that we care about.
In his more popular spiritual works, he’s easily understandable, but he’s very systematic. There’s no reason for us not to be systematic about something so important.
Is there a particular work of art that helps us to meditate on Judgement ?
Obviously, you’ve got Michelangelo’s The Last Judgement. It was hugely controversial in its day, because it’s hard to see who’s saved and who isn’t.
Then you had the big controversy over the nudes, and they had to cover up all the nudes. And, also, Christ not being bearded: Which one is Jesus, actually ? So it’s a very controversial painting. And I don’t think it’s the best for us to think about The Last Judgment.
I would prefer something like Hans Memling. Many people followed his style, and he’s following something earlier, where you have a very clear distinction between the saved and the damned.
You’ve got Saint Michael there. You’ve got Our Lord. And it’s very clear what’s going on. So I would look at Hans Memling’s triptych of The Last Judgement as an example.
Hans Memling’s “Last Judgement”.
National Museum, Gdańsk, Poland.
Public Domain.
Let’s move on to the third of The Four Last Things: Heaven. Why do you think Heaven comes before Hell in the traditional order ?
I’m not sure it always does. When Fr. Martin von Cochem writes on The Four Last Things, he puts Heaven at the end.
I’m not sure it’s that important, except possibly from the point of view of public Preaching, to leave people with a good motivation to change their lives and come back to Mass, and so on.
Benedict XVI once said: “All of us, today, are well aware that by the term ‘Heaven’ we are not referring to somewhere in the universe, to a star or such like; no. We mean something far greater and far more difficult to define with our limited human conceptions.”
So what is Heaven ?
Heaven is eternal and unceasing joy in the presence of God. Unfortunately, what most people have in their minds is a caricature. And I don’t necessarily just mean people’s ideas are bad.
I mean that people deliberately caricature Heaven and deliberately make fun of it. And that’s seen as a funny and clever thing to do.
Therefore, nobody even wants to think seriously about what Heaven is. I think that’s where we are at the moment in terms of The Church, which is why we really need to talk about it more coherently than we have done.
When you read The Lives of The Saints, many are very focused on Heaven. Yet it’s rare to meet a Christian, today, who talks much about it.
Would thinking more often of Heaven help us to make spiritual progress ?
Yes, it would. Our spiritual lives are helped by thinking about our actual goal, as are our lives of Charity, and so on.
One danger people have is the self-help movement thing: A purely human approach to spirituality. We’ve been seduced into that. So you can have methods of Prayer which are all about breathing, or doing a mantra, or saying a particular word.
Now, they can all be one way of helping us to get closer to God. The problem is when they’re seen as the end in itself.
A genuine and good approach to meditative Prayer is really important.
Is there a particular work of art that helps us to meditate on Heaven ?
Rather than attempting to have pictures of Heaven, which never succeed very well, it’s better to have a picture of Our Lady. We have a hugely rich corpus of art depicting Our Lady. You can choose different pictures for every day.
There was a wonderful exhibition: The Raphael Exhibition at The National Gallery [in London], which had a whole room of pictures of The Madonna and Child by Raphael. An extraordinary “tour de force” collection.
Heaven is not something we can picture, because it’s not corporeal or physical. Looking at Our Lady, she is the one that guides us to Heaven. And that’s probably a good place to start in trying to focus on Heaven.
Raphael’s “The Madonna and Child”.
(The Mackintosh Madonna).
The National Gallery, London.
Public Domain.
We’ve arrived at the last of The Four Last Things: Hell. What does The Church teach about Hell ?
The Church teaches that if we die in the state of mortal sin, we will go to Hell or, we could say, we will be in the state of Hell, which is a state of permanent separation from God.
Its nature and its horror is to be permanently separated from God, for Whom we’re made.
Preachers don’t speak much of Hell, these days. But its imagery is very prevalent in pop culture.
Why do you think Hell retains such a grip on the popular imagination ?
Two possible reasons. One is because of an unhealthy fascination with horror and danger, and that can do people harm.
Perhaps generating those images can be quite an unhealthy and morbid thing. Second, however, there’s something true there: It is possible for us to not only lose Grace, but to be damned for all eternity, to be in a state of hatred of God.
People don’t think in those terms, but that’s what it is that they’re trying to get at. And, yes, it’s really awful, and we should fear it.
That’s the thing: We should fear losing our Soul. We should recognise how wonderful it is to be in a State of Grace. And that should be what we most fear losing.
Pope Francis once said that, when children are taught about The Four Last Things, some might object: “Father, this frightens us.” But he said: “It is the truth. Because, if you do not take care of your heart,” and “you always live far away from The Lord, perhaps there is the danger, the danger of continuing in this way, far away from The Lord for eternity. This is very bad ! ”
Does The Church have a duty to talk about Hell ?
Yes, I think it does, because we have a duty to teach and to pass on what Our Lord taught. If we look at the Gospels, Our Lord speaks as much about Hell as he does about Heaven and mentions Hell very often in the Gospels. It’s quite wrong that many people simply miss that out.
It’s very important for us to Preach about The Last Things and not ignore them. The Holy Father is quite right to mention that to the children, and I hope we hear some more from him about it.
Is there a particular work of art that helps us to meditate on Hell ?
I was thinking of Mark Rothko, his Blacks and Grays. It represents for me something like the despair in Hell. It’s like an icon of a sort of rationally chosen despair.
That would be my painting for a depiction of Hell, rather than to have lots of demons or something. I like Hieronymus Bosch, but I think we need to learn something from our more recent artists.
Where are you up to with your project to write a book about The Four Last Things ?
I’m reading Garrigou-Lagrange’s book on The Last Things, at the moment. I’m sitting in front of the computer, listening to the text [being read], and typing notes as I go.
I did a sort of structure for the book, but then realised I needed to do some more reading. I’m still quite hopeful that I can do it.